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[REVIEW]: SVInsight: A Python Package for Calculating Social Vulnerability Indices #7212
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Hey @bkrayfield 👋 could you please update us with an approximate schedule of when you intend to start and finish the review for this project? |
@sappelhoff Sorry, work has me slowed down this time of year. Giving myself a deadline of Nov 11th? What the intention of finishing earlier. |
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Thank you to the reviewers for their comments so far, I believe I have addressed them all so far in the latest version of the package (V1.2). I am happy to provide additional information or address additional comments as necessary. |
Thanks for the update @mdp0023! @bkrayfield @dataspider -- could you please update us with a tentative timeline of when you plan to finalize your reviews? |
Hi everyone, just circling back to see if there are any other comments or questions I can respond to concerning the package or the paper. |
Dear @mdp0023, sorry for the radio silence on this submission. In the background (via email, and the JOSS editor Slack), there have been some discussions regarding the "substantial scholarly effort" criterion that we have at JOSS, and whether or not SVInsight fulfills the requirements. These discussions were including the peer reviewers @dataspider and @bkrayfield, who brought this issue to my attention, as well as the associate editor in chief for this track, @samhforbes, who in turn also brought the discussed issues up with his colleague AEiCs. At JOSS, we usually conduct "scope reviews" to assess whether or not a submission fulfills all requirements to proceed to peer review. In the present case, the submission was voted "in scope", however during the (deeper-diving) peer review process, several shortcomings were identified. Below, I try to summarize the most important points:
Overall, the submission was judged to require significant refactoring to become a useful utility package. For JOSS, this presents itself as a difficult tradeoff, as on the one hand, we want peer-reviewers to point to required improvements, rather than recommending a "rejection". However, on the other hand, a major refactoring can require a lot of effort which can fall outside of the scope of a reviewer to support (reviewer burden). Some related information has been discussed here: openjournals/joss#1395 I personally agree with the assessments of the peer review process. It is unclear how we can proceed now. One option that I see is that I step down as an editor for this submission and @samhforbes finds a suitable replacement. Such a replacement would ideally be an editor with more domain knowledge for this particular submission than I have, and a willingness to go through several bigger changes as part of the review process. @samhforbes please let me know what you would prefer. @dataspider and @bkrayfield I would be very grateful if you could communicate your intentions on whether you want to continue the peer-review here, or not. In case of the latter, we can simply unassign you from this issue. Thank you for everyone who offered their opinion on this. |
We’d like to thank the editors and the reviewers for the time they have put into this review so far, and we’d like to take this opportunity to respond to some of your comments. We believe that this package does in fact represent a significant scholarly effort as per JOSS guidelines and we would like to make that case one more time in the context of your most recent comments. SVInsight’s functionality does not currently exist and therefore fills a need. SVInsight is intended to:
SVInsight utilizes the census and factor_analyzer to access Census data and conduct the actual factor analysis. We found that these performed well and there was no need to duplicate the work. SVInsight adds the functionality and methodology to create SVIs that these packages do not have.
SVInsight utilizes an existing wrapper for the Census API and adds utility for calculating social vulnerability scores, which represents the significant scholarly effort. The initial creation of these methods (i.e., to calculate an SVI for a single county) and the subsequent package took well over a year to create. With SVInsight, indices for entire states are calculated in less than a few minutes. This issue was already addressed in the pre-review of the paper.
You referenced mdp0023/SVInsight#10 and this is not hardcoding. As we responded in that thread, it is not feasible to create an SVI database of all Census areas because the SVI estimate itself is dependent on the study area and what variables are included. SVInsight gives users the flexibility to define their index (including variables and geographic extent) based on their interests. If you are referring to a different instance of hardcoding data, we would appreciate a further description of the specific issue so that we can address it. There are two specific points on the JOSS Guidelines for what constitutes scholarly effort that we believe SVInsight falls under:
This package, and the methods behind it, have already been utilized in three published papers (Bixler et al., 2021, Preisser et al., 2022, Preisser et al., 2023), one under review paper, and at least two in preparation papers. The reason we sought to publish the package itself is for the intention of being able to cite the work. We additionally know that the package is being used by other research groups outside of our own. We are aware that "single-function packages are not acceptable" according to the JOSS Guidelines. While SVInsight serves a single purpose, it is not a single-function package, and it represents a streamlined package that can aid researchers in their ability to incorporate multiple iterations of custom SVIs into their own work. |
Submitting author: @mdp0023 (Matthew Preisser)
Repository: https://github.com/mdp0023/SVInsight
Branch with paper.md (empty if default branch): main
Version: v1.1.0
Editor: @sappelhoff
Reviewers: @dataspider, @bkrayfield
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